why we saw so many career officials talking about the concerns regarding this irregular channel. if rudy giuliani was a government employee or even had been sort of designated as a special envoy, somebody who worked in a private capacity but on behalf of the government, he would be required to make disclosures to adhere to a series of ethics and compliance rules when he was representing the interests of the united states he was really doing that and not his own financial interests. so what we're seeing here this co-mingling of pursuing political favors for the president of the united states reportedly and also reportedly trying to essentially make a buck off of it, that's exactly why people are so concerned when ever they see foreign policy being conducted in this way. so, we don't have any sort of concrete information right now about what exactly the southern district is looking -- of new york is looking into, but it does appear that this is at least one element of that inquiry. >> this feels a little like deja