some of these people that they can argue their constitutional rights on the street. they can argue with the police about whether they're under arrest. they don't have to comply. it's their right to not comply. that only leads to physical altercation, to violence, and then in the violence, potential danger, both to the police officer and to the subject. and what i'm hearing is the police aren't on edge about getting killed. they're on edge about being forced to defend themselves, take someone's life in the process and then lose their career and possibly be prosecuted and go to jail. that's what they're more afraid of than even being killed. >> so harry, to follow up on that point, it sounds as if people who are being stopped are being empowered to defy police officers. whereas in the past, somebody said show me your driver's license, you would say okay, here's my driver's license. we saw thatent incid in which the man simply hemmed and hawed and refused and handed out a bottle of alcohol and was trying to make excuses.