just in hours as you can see with the tragedies in lives. this is measured in the human life of ukrainians. so tell us. >> i want to bring in gary casparov, a legendary chess master and outspoken putin critic. we just heard there from president zelensky. what do you think of zelensky's call to impose sanctions now or at least release the list of what could happen instead of waiting? >> i couldn't agree more with president zelensky, because we've heard words about sanctions for years, and putin always got away with his aggressions. he had a genocidal war in chechnya in 2008.