what the vice president could do. >> so he's basically blaming the people around trump and painting the ex-president has a hapless bull taken in by others. do you share his view? >> i don't. i think everybody has their free will. i don't think vice president pence is a dumb man. i think he's a smart person and knew what he was doing. the same with donald trump. we cannot let people off the hook here. this does not happen because of a security failure. this mob descended on the capitol because that was the plan. that's what they wanted to have happen, what they planned to have happen, and you have all sorts of information that's been uncovered by the january 6 select committee including power point presentations, memoranda that were actually prepared for the president to seize voting machines, a blueprint, a written blueprint for a coup in the united states of america by