is since there is is not a it twi -- not a twitter account, we're not having to report on it. this lie persists and it persists in some ways in a stronger and more robust way in very specific siloes of our political life. >> jim, i just want to add to that. it highlights how much we're not having a debate about politics anymore at the outer reaches. this isn't a debate about policy or different approaches to solving the same problem. this is about reality. this is the result of evidence that people have bought into because they need to save face. it's important we don't mix this with the political debate, they're not mixed when it comes to reality. >> i think you could agree this is the fringe. the outer reaches have always been fringe. you have the '40s and the