inclined to be pro trump to some degree. say back in 2016 whether they liked him or not. there's sort of three types of republicans. the ones that are all in for donald trump. the ones who said donald trump was terrible then went to work in the administration or endorsed his campaign and then the folks like me who said no, don't do this and continue to say no, don't do this. we're in a very small minority there. >> 47% of all voters, doug, agree with that. i mean, so we're not talking about just republican voters alone. you're talking about a significant percent of americans saying it's not a big deal. i don't know if it's because they agree with the language or see it through the lens of we have an immigration problem. particularly as it pertains to how we treat people who weren't born here. >> how do you explain trump's sway over evangelicals? he's not very evangelical. >> he's not.