an objective journalist. but i'm disgusted by it. >> it's pretty ugly. >> the problem is when you speak out about it and you tell other people that you're disgusted by it, some of them are like, well, i don't really care. he's representing me. the establishment is not representing me. the system isn't working for me and my family. we feel left out. we were once an aspirational working class america. we're now an economically desperational america. so, he represents us. so, he says things that are out of sorts and he says things that you or i, jim, wouldn't say. but they let him get away with it. and he plays to them, and he understands them. and i think this is the real risk for the biden campaign. they have to wake up on this. they have to understand what he's doing so they can parody it. this really is going to be a battle for the democracy, this one. he's going to expand executive power. he's going to make things