>> i would freeze the current lines of control and that would leave parts of the donbas region with russia. i would also further make a commitment nato will not admit ukraine to nato but there are even greater wins that i will -- >> that sounds like a win for putin. >> the top of the list -- well, our goal should not be for putin to lose. our goal should be for america to win. >> governor, what do you think of that? should it be the policy of the u.s. for putin to lose or what? >> well, first of all, vivek's policies he articulates allows putin to win. he allows russia to win, and, no, that's not in the national interest of the united states of america. that shows weakness. that rewards russia for doing the invasion. they get what they want and keeps ukraine out of nato but also gives them territory. it's just flat wrong. this obviously will be discussed in the debate.

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