and where their campaign can go. but this is critically important. this debate stage, because iowans, folks in new hampshire are all looking there, the first time to compare the candidates, so it's critical to be there and it's going to be a very good discussion, even if donald trump is not there because we're going to have to give our views of january 6th and our views of donald trump's leadership. so i think my voice is critically important and i will be there. >> and you've spoken out against the rnc requirement to support the eventual nominee and talked about it on this program. are you going to sign that loyalty pledge maybe catch me up to speed here, maybe you already have. what is the latest on that? >> well, they're not submitting to us until we meet the 40,000 threshold, but, yes, my intention is to sign that so i can be on the debate stage and my view is that i'll support the nominee of the party. i don't believe that nominee is going to be donald trump. >> and it appears trump as you

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