undermine anyone who worked on solving the siv issue by devastating the system at dhs and state. olivia, i know that steven miller's wife, katie miller, is pushing back on that and worked with you in the trump administration, but what kind of arguments were they making against taking in afghan partners and refugees when you were there? what did you witness? >> i feel like this argument is frustrating because when i was in the white house working on these issues, it was nothing but increasing restrictions on immigration and restricting refugee admissions, and all of these categories are part of that process, and the sivs are part of that, p-2s, all fall into the pipelines of these offices with resources that were gutted during the trump administration, many of us who worked with refugee issues were pushing to make sure they did not reduce the ceiling number for refugees and ensure that