aid to ukraine, that weeks after that actually happened, omb officials, the white house chief of staff mick mulvaney, were exchanging emails, still trying to figure out the legal rationale for that aid hold. so it suggests that this was not a typical process for an aid to be -- a package of aid to be frozen and, in fact, that it was a presidential decision to withhold this aid for whatever reason and that after the fact officials at the white house, at the office of management and budget, were essentially scrambling to come up with an explanation here, a legal rationale, and clearly in the emails that "the washington post" has either reviewed or that sources are describing to them, it indicates that, begiag there was a conversation, a debate for weeks after that aid was put on hold. very interesting new information and we'll let you know as soon as we get a reaction from the white house. >> please do. jeremy diamond at the white house, thanks very much.