themselves, their teams, hotel, you know, bills and flights and all of that. but is it wise, you know, to be so critical, karen, when you hear bernie sanders, and even elizabeth warren, who are very critical of people with a lot of money, like that is a detriment, that's a big negative to be one of possibly now four, you know, billionaires either seeking to or in the race. >> isn't that amazing. let's be clear. the current president is not actually a billionaire, and i think the one challenge -- he likes to say he is, though, right? think about this week how we learned that tom steyer, a staffperson for him was offering money for support. that's what i think bernie sanders was playing up on. in addition to that sort of idea of big money coming in and sort of being able to spend a lot of money in california, which is a very expensive state to run a campaign in, right, but having