debates and, you know, a year of campaigning, almost, i think it's pretty clear that the person who has shown the statesmanship that can take us past the finish line is the steady ship of joe biden. >> all right, joining me right now to discuss, washington bureau chief for the chicago sun times, lynn swede, and senior writer for rolling stone, jamil smith. good to see you both. >> good to see you. >> he said the attack on joe biden was not what moved the needle for him, but he's also saying joe biden is the most winningest. do you buy that? >> i have to ask, what do democrats think a primary is? do they think we're in a period where we're just trying to understand how we unify, or did they think this is actually a vetting process? i'm just trying to understand what they think candidates are actually trying to do. are they trying to distinguish themselves, or are they trying