officers? >> well actually unbeknownst to most there are pending criminal cases against a handful of the officers involved. those cases are of a minor nature. but the case isn't over in terms of civil claims. i heard patrick deangelo talk about civil rights lawyers. well patrick and i actually co-counselled in a case against the klu klux klan. so in a sense patrick was a civil rights lawyer in that case and he he was a civil rights lawyer in a sense for michael brelo. his job was to assert constitutional protections and frankly, judge o'donnell bought it. so at the end of the day i'm not sure i understood what he was talking about after that. i'm also in agreement with walter and joey that in terms of what judge o'donnell did, in carefully looking at expert testimony, looking at the circumstances, that's the call that judges make as finders of fact and it may very well be