was coming, we thought this was a perfect moment to call attention to the 45 million people living in poverty in this country. >> 45 million. >> 45 million people. >> in the united states? >> yes. which is shocking to us, i think. because we don't tend to think that we have that substantial a problem with people who are poor. and we do. and many of those are children. >> when some in this country talk about the poor and you say 45 million, they'll say, oh, come on, they're taking advantage of the system, some of them. and they have tvs. what more do they want? >> it's tragic to me when i hear that. or just get yourself out of this. go get a job. sometimes people don't have the resources to do that. they haven't had the education to do that. they haven't had the opportunities to do that. and so for us to just even use the term "the poor" dehumanizes