a funny goof ball. he had such a positive outlook on life and he was so determined to make a -- like put a smile on your face. >> i can't imagine how hard this is for you. i really do appreciate you being on with me, larell, and as you're remembering these two people, the superstar intern and the funny cameraman and based on the pictures of these two together, you can see and tell how much they love their jobs. they they were this morning covering this tourism bouncing back at this one place in the roanoke area, and they were murdered on live television and the man who was holding the gun was someone who worked at the tv station before, and you know him as well. >> yes. he was a reporter when i was there. he -- personally i was -- he was