>> well, in 2009 he traveled to africa to tanzania south of somalia. to get to kenya you go to somalia. he gets to tanzania stopped by authorities and deported essentially. he flies to amsterdam where the mi 5 interrogates him. so his options were limited. >> so isis was easier access then you're saying. >> well i think isis getting to syria has proved much easier for thousands and thousands of foreign fighters right? i mean how many foreign fighters in syria now? 15 20,000 more? so clearly there are ways of getting to syria tlar much easier than say going to africa or yem yemen. >> adam goldman, thank you for your time. quite a scoop you had breaking this news this morning. congrats. up next the trial of former nfl star aaron hernandez got very interesting today. new surveillance footage. details about hernandez's bar