yes, they didn't like joe biden but they didn't like donald trump either and that played a amajor role. so we can't just look at he joe biden in a vacuum. >> okay. a lot of potential, this or that. but what happens when you match up biden with other potential democratic contenders? >> yeah. so i love looking at history, right, ana? that's something that i always do with you on this program. and so essentially if you look against joe biden, against the other democrats, instead of trailing what we actually see, he's actually quite ahead. so you see that his margin over his nearest competitor in the national primary polls is plus 18 points. that's not exactly great. but it's certainly much better than it was earlier this year. and more than that it's better than even barack obama was doing in 2012. and barack obama sailed to that nomination. and it's certainly significantly better than jimmy carter, who was down by ten points at this point. so bide efrn when you match him up against other folks looking quite a bit better than he does in a vacuum against himself.
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