adults, and the jurors obviously rejected, unequivocably rejecting the claims by the consent attorney, and found these were children, violent acts, criminal act, and they're holding r. kelly accountable. >> one more question on that, because of the echoes of bill cosby. same thing, the old he said, she said, no. she said, she said, she said, as we've learned. and, you know, the arguments that this was consensual, social security absurd, but isn't it interesting that this is the verdict now because 13 years ago r. kelly was acquitted of child pornography charges at a state trial so obviously there's been a c change. >> in the way we listen to, we believe, and receive claims that are made by women that have been sexually assaulted. as you know, for many years, women were not believed.