his discussion with journalists this afternoon, and what he was saying is, no, you can't peel away these individual issues. we want the whole thing. we want these security guarantees, as i put it, ironclad, waterproof, bulletproof, legally binding. so i don't think they got very far at all today. the russians are saying, well, let's see what happens with the next, you know, talks with nato and russia and then osce, and then we'll figure out whether we advise our president to, you know, take the next step, have more talks or not. >> right. of course as the u.s. was preparing for these critical talks with russia, it was also signing off on a new security deal for kiev. so how will all that likely play in efforts to avert war? >> well, you know, kiev, the situation in ukraine is very, very complex, and so what the