former-president trump, as well as the gop continues to sort of nurture it or -- or wink and nod -- wink and nod to it to sort of, you know, satisfy the base, so to speak. >> and of all the many crises facing biden right now, pandemic, immigration, climate change, an attack on our democracy which could prove to be his biggest test, do you think? and perhaps even his downfall come 2022? >> i think -- look, i -- i believe that the biden administration and the biden presidency will be judged by covid. it just has to be because it isn't just about covid. of course, it is getting the vaccines out. overcoming the misinformation in this country about vaccine hesitation. or even the anti-vax movement. but it is related to the economy. it is related to our children and schools and travel. and our -- and our -- and our global engagement. look. the world looks at the united states right now. we went from being second in vaccinations to falling, i