why can't we talk about bias like we've just done and not label someone a racist? i know medicalnknow mel's not a you're not a racist but can't we talk about how we all have a bias? >> and how it seeps into our perceptions and people ourselves, our friends and think about where does this bias show up in myself and how can i check myself each day or be aware of it when it comes up so it's not guiding my perceptions, my life, or -- or making decisions for me in a way that's maybe destructive. >> interestingly a lot of the police training that they're talking about implementing nationwide and here in new york city is on this direct topic so you are policing and doing community policing based on people's actions not based on this immiss sit bias that we all have that's never going away but through self-reflection and knowing about it you can do something to change it. >> that's what disturbs me if we don't have the conversation if the minute you bring up race people get defensive and say,