giving up five to one. the question is what will that mean to our future. we have people around the world that are being held against their will right now in iran. are we going to train with iran to get the pastor out of iran right now? there are a lot of different americans that are being held. one that's being held in mexico. are we going to make a trade with them for that? there's a certain standard that america's had for 50 years that we do not negotiate with terrorists if you have one of our citizens. the price of every american soldier or civilian goes through the roof in that part of the world because they know now that they atlantic trade five for one for top people they want out of guantanamo bay and there's a lot more prisoners they'd love to trade with starting tomorrow. >> marc, you want to respond to that? >> there are no problem-free solutions here. ben seems to think -- and this is telling. you asked ben a very direct question, what would you do? he doesn't have an answer.