and there's some fear that that could happen in the ukraine. and in talks earlier today with american officials, my understanding is that russian officials said we have reports that the the ukranian forces are moving into eastern ukraine, that they're moving toward the crimea. and we have to go in and protect our people. they're using that as a justification, in other words. in some ways that's a trap. and it's in president obama's interests not only to get the russians to deescalate but to ensure that kiev and the ukranian government, the new ukranian government, doesn't send in troops because that will give the russians pretty open justification as they had in georgia and the international community didn't do very much once the russians went in on that pretext. so we want to avoid that. what i'm also a little uncertain about, jim, you may know the answer to that, are the ukranian forces absolutely reliable? will they absolutely report to this government? or are there prorussian elements in those forces? i'm not really sure. >> well, it's a fair question.