want. >> true. >> we're aware. >> but i think part of the problem is, no matter what the president -- it's kind of what i call pinata politics. wherever you swing, hit him there, hit him there. very specific about immigration. he's not leaving us space. if he steps back, he's not giving enough leadership. i think there are democrats and progressives who really haven't been heard from yet. the tea party -- we had four or five different responses from the republicans last night, trying to cover all the chaos and their party took out -- >> or showcased our intellectual diversity. >> that's another way of putting it. >> this tent's about to fall apart, it's so big. from my point of view, progressives didn't get a chance to really be heard from last night. there were some -- sdm >> you don't think the president is progressive? >> the president has a progressive wing he has to management. he spoke well of the climate. spoke well of guantanamo. we were happy about that. other stuff -- listen, he's glad about wars winding down.