barack obama, kind of charismatic, he made some waves and then all of a sudden what happened? i mean, she lost it to him. so i'm not surprised at all that barack obama supporters are going to go ahead and pick her early on. one, because she can campaign a lot sooner than joe biden can. and, two, joe biden's a guy that everyone always thinks is an underachiever and somehow he always surprises people. so i think it's too early to count him out because he likes being this guy that people kind of mess with and rip on and make fun of. >> oh, ben. >> and then he can come back in. vice president of the quite of america. >> listen, everybody watching at home, i want you to see what ben ferguson just did to you. ben ferguson is trying to do a jedi mind trick to make you think that joe biden is viable so that joe biden can be a crash dummy, a test dummy for the republicans runs in 2016. he's pray that joe biden is the nominee. >> joe, planet joe biden.