clemency for edward snowden. this is an active case where charges have been brought. you read that quote from the president. >> yeah. >> he's now got some of his own reforms. i think it's clear he wouldn't have delivered that speech the other day if edward snowden had not leaked some of that information. >> well, this debate on what we should do has been going on, simmering, for years. it is true that after the snowden leaks, a lot more people are clued in. but there was a better way for snowden to do this. >> what was that better way? >> he could have complained. he claims he once brought this up in the cia. but in the intelligence community where he worked, there were lots of opportunities for true whistle blowers. he also could have gone to visit with members of congress. that's been tried in the past too. and several members of congress who had a lot of trouble with what's going on, ron snowden and mark u dahl did complain. what's interesting, wolf, he doesn't rule out clemency. it's a presidential decision. i would hope that snowden would