good at talking about on the stump. but according to the book, clinton aide doug band, issued an ultimatum to the obama campaign saying bill is only going to help you guys, if you pay off hillary clinton's campaign debt from 2008. now the number was actually kind of negligible, only about a quarter million dollars. but the act of just asking for him to pay off this debt, the quid pro quo apparently struck obama campaigns as sort of an offensive thing. but they eventually agreed to it. and as we saw during the campaign, clinton became a very strong asset for the president on the stump. >> and delivered a brilliant speech at the democratic convention, as we all remember. as well. the book also suggests that the romney campaign had some unusual sort of fish nicknames for the potential vice presidential running mates. how did they come up with those names? >> well the nickname, according to the book again of the vice presidential search in the romney campaign was project