>> or have any data on how many people have tried to enroll but because of the problems have not been able to accomplish that? >> no, sir. i can tell you i met with insurers last week. and one of the priority fixes is the so-called 834s. the document that -- >> okay. >> -- sends an individual's name to a company and verifies it. that is one of the systems that is -- >> i appreciate that. and the contractors i asked specifically about the information of how many people have tried to enroll, and they say they do have those numbers but can't tell us that because of a contract with hhs saying that they -- they're gagged on that information. >> i would suggest that the numbers are not reliable according to -- >> i tell you what. my question is going to be, though, will you on the record right now authorize them to give us those numbers and let us determine whether those are reliable? >> no, sir. i want to give you reliable