cannot try to reach back and get some of the money essentially from the government, from one pocket of the government to another. >> but the government asked jpmorgan to take over washington mutual. that was a request from are the federal government. they thought they were doing a favor to the federal government and now they're being penalized for that. >> that's the way jami morgan, the ceo of. >> jami diamond. >> i'm sorry. jami diamond has put tries to portray what happened. it is true that the government asked jpmorgan to take it over but jn morgan basically knew what it was getting into. it wanted to get into this business. it thought there was a good purchase there. so you know, you're right. there is some of that at play here. >> the federal deposit insurance corporation were to pick up some of the 13 billion dollars, what are we talking about, a few million, a few billion? any estimate how much? >> that's being worked out right now. one of the issues is we don't know how much of -- how much