which is out of control spending. >> okay. so maybe we should focus on out-of-control spending. i don't think any american would disagree with you there. but should those issues be tied to the debt ceiling? or should we, you know, talk like grown-ups in the halls of congress and come up with a budget, which we haven't had in five years? >> well, carol, we are where we are. there's plenty of blame to go around in washington, d.c. i hope that this deal goes months that we have before we ew reach our next big deadline will be focused on a thoughtful and comprehensive entitlement reform plan that will have bipartisan support. that's what fix the debt is all about. that's where we want the focus to be the next two months so that no one ends up coming to the cliff again with another small ball deal and not really traesing the great threat to my grandchildren, to millions of