i don't like the tactics where senators like ted cruz or conservative groups get together and decide who's conservative enough and who isn't. and paul ryan's op-ed in the wall street journal was not heretical to ted cruz's plan. it wasn't a betrayal of it. as they point out, it didn't even mention obama care. it was simply discussing another objective that republicans and conservatives have put forward, and how to get there. and for ted cruz's defenders to come out and swat him down as a rhino is really unproductive, and frankly fairly childish. >> okay, s.e., chris, i'm going to get to you, but i want you to clarify. people harp on certain statements. you're saying they were doing what they were elected to do, shut down the government? >> no, as i said, they ran campaigns against obama care. they made promises to constituents they would do everything they could to end it, repeal it, delay it, pick it