the senate conferrees so they could try to reconcile the two budgets they passed. but why -- why would it be the right thing to do to keep punishing the american people in order to talk about our budget priorities? that's what they're doing by keeping the government shut down. why would it be right thing to do to continued arm to the american economy? i didn't hear a rational for why that is acceptable or okay and i don't think any of you did either. >> must the condition of extending the debt ceiling include reopening the government? >> again, you're asking me a hypothetical. we have said clearly -- >> not a hypothetical. what is your position? i'm not asking you to react to boehner. >> we have said all along they should turn on the lights and open the government, they should raise the debt ceiling. they should do both. so if they -- i think the