>> sustained. >> nothing further than, your honor. >> may ms. osterman be excused? >> yes. >> you're excused. >> call mark osterman, your honor. >> so there you see sondra ostermman and we believe her husband will be recalled as the next witness. all this is very significant because in order to convict someone of second degree murder, second degree murder, the prosecution, the state in this particular case, among other things, needs to point out that the murder, the shooting was done from ill will, hatred, spite or evil intent. here you see mark osterman being