my next guest blew the whistle on waste, fraud and abuse after working at the nsa for decades. his name is kirk and he joins me now from washington. welcome. >> thank you, carol. thank you for having me. >> we're glad you're here. you went through the proper channels to complain about the nsa. and many are asking today why edward snowden didn't do what you did, go through the proper channels. what happened when you and your colleague did that? >> we didn't do very well. we tried to follow proper channels, including going to congress directly. through a staffer that we knew there by the name of diane rorke. when that didn't work, we ended up filing a dodig complaint in september of 2002. believing we'd see some results from that. unfortunately, that investigation after two and a half years was basically covered

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