and carol, you were saying the family is shocked. we're all shocked, right, but imagine being related to the three men that are now behind bars. so we were talking a little bit earlier about your relationship, you have a closer relationship or had a closer relationship with ariel over the other two. can you tell me about the relationship? >> i was obviously closer with ariel as we were younger in our teenage years. you know, they did live close here to this neighborhood and i did grow up in this neighborhood with my parents having a business here. and, you know, we -- i've seen him play, seen some of his gigs, he was an amazing musician, you know, rode on his motorcycle a couple of times with him when we were teenagers. and then you grow up and you move on and you separate and you move away from each other. and then there's a distance and not because of anything in particular happened, not from