at that time. we didn't know if there were other bombs up the street. we finally got ahold of him two hours later, but we were so excited to be here at the marathon to see our son run, and it's a war zone. >> is there anything that sort of surprised you? you said you were in such shock you kind of had a different reaction than you might suspect you would in a situation like this. >> i didn't think that i would be calm. and i wasn't calm, i was just in complete shock. when you see bodies around you and limbs, you think in advance that you're going to be just -- you'll melt down, but you really -- you're thinking, trying to move people out of there. and i tried to get my wife out of there, but i suppose to her credit she immediately wanted to go down into the street. but you're caught in a dilemma because you know it's terrorism, you're wondering if there's a third bomb to take out first