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"the new york times" reported the agreement on the negotiations but a spokesman for the national security council says that report is not true. he added that the u.s. still hopes to find a diplomatic solution. an attempt to at least temporarily stop the bloodshed in syria is being ignored. activists say homs and several other cities came under heavy shelling from regime forces today. more than 120 people reported killed nationwide. the continued violence comes as a u.n. envoy in damascus is making the case for a truce during next week's muslim holiday. and one day after opposition groups say more than 80 bodies were discovered in a mass grave in the eastern city of deorizor. he conquered the tour de france and won their hearts and their money. now some big donors to lance armstrong's cancer foundation want their money back. we ask them why. from cheating in the bedroom, a growing number of people say it's okay and even helping relationships and marriages. would you allow your better half to sleep with someone else? election day is almost here, people. and some of you still can't make up your mind. are you undecided or just uninformed? bet nobody will mess with that bus driver again. he stood up to a passenger behaving badly. some say he went too far. but we speak with someone who says it's time we all do the same and stop coddling people who act like jerks. plus, more hulk hogan sex tapes. tom hanks' filthy mouth. and brad pitt creeps us out. okay, think you had a bad week? not as bad as lance armstrong's. the same group that banned him from ever competing in a bicycle race, the group that took away his tour de france titles published a report saying he ran, quote, the most sophisticated and successful doping program the sport has ever seen. poof. poof, went his sponsors. nike and radio shack, gone. poof went the chairmanship of his foundation, livestrong. now, that is a bad week. last night in austin, lance armstrong spoke in public for the first time since all this went down. and he got a bit philosophical. listen. >> this mission is bigger than me. it's bigger than any individual. there's 28 million people around the world living with this disease. martin luther king said once, we must accept finite disappointment but never lose infinite hope. >> michael birdsong joining me live. i want your reaction to lance armstrong, what he just said. he just quoted dr. martin luther king, jr., about not losing infinite hope. what do you think? >> i think it's a great quote, but the thing is, he's still standing there as the one guy talking to everybody. and for me, that's a conflict of message to me. >> i'm going to tell people who you are now. michael birdsong, you are a livestrong volunteer from way back. your wife is a cancer survivor. you believed in the foundation. you believed in lance armstrong. you helped raise a lot of money. you personally donated a lot of money. things have changed now. so where do you stand with the livestrong foundation? >> i haven't worked with them at all since 2010. my official role with them ended at the end of 2008. in 2009 and 2010, i helped a friend out who was doing a charity ride. i was her webmaster so i was like one degree removed. but it was more -- i was helping her. the livestrong part didn't play into it. 2008 is when i stopped. >> you said you want your money back. why? >> livestrong and mr. armstrong are tied at the hip. there's no way of really separating either of them. several athletes out there have foundations. the cyclist tyler hamilton had one. i believe it dealt with m.s. no one ever really heard about that. tyler didn't win the tour de france. the results that mr. armstrong had in the tours directly benefitted the building of the lance armstrong livestrong foundation and they rebranded it as livestrong. and he cheated and cheated beyond many people's beliefs or imagination for those results in the tours. so the whole thing is built on a lie. and that's wrong. >> you've used words -- i've heard you say that you feel that you were betrayed, hoodwinked and ripped off. but despite the scandal, mr. birdsong, there are plenty of people who are still standing by lance armstrong and his charity. listen, and then you and i will talk about it. >> there's 28 million cancer survivors around the world today. 14 million in the u.s. those numbers have increased since livestrong has been around. they really provide a lot of support that was never there before. >> no, i think it's an organization that was developed by somebody who's been an enormous inspiration to so many and to myself. >> and regardless of what you might say about anything else, he's done more to motivate and to inspire just regular people and also all those survivors than anybody else. >> i mentioned what you said. you said you felt hoodwinked and ripped off. are all those people hoodwinked just like you were? >> let me state that i'm not saying that livestrong has not helped people. i know it has. but how did we get to this point? how did all of this get created? i don't see people letting bernie madoff off the hook for all he did. i believe he did many things for fla philanthropy, too. but it's all based, like i said, on a lie. if people are happy donating even more money to livestrong, more power to them. knuckleball something, you think you're doing something good, i can't say anything bad about that. i'm speaking for myself here and my wife. about how we feel about all this because we're so dedicated. we were very much like some of those people you interviewed. i defended lance to -- people would say he was cheating and i would flat-out tell people, if he did that, this hall would fall apart. he's smarter than that. he's not going to build all of this on a lie, at least that's what i thought. >> yeah. michael birdsong, thank you. your wife is doing better, we hope. >> oh, yes. >> we appreciate you coming on cnn and giving your feelings. thank you very much. >> thank you, sir. appreciate it. so just a new development here. just within the last couple of minutes, we're told that livestrong wanted to respond to our story tonight. we've reached out to them earlier in the week. now we're hearing they want to respond. and i'm being told on the phone is katherine mclean, the vice president of livestrong. thank you for joining us. you heard what mr. birdsong had to say. what's your response to that? >> well, i think we want to express our deepest gratitude at livestrong for all of our donors. they have helped fuel a mission that's served 2.5 million cancer survivors throughout the united states. as one of the most highly rated cancer non-profits in the united states, we want to make sure people know the funds they contribute go to serve people and families who are struggling with the financial or emotional or practical challenges that always accompany cancer. >> would you be open at all to giving people their money back, anyone who wants it? i'm sure most people would not want their money back. they would probably think it's going to a good cause. even he said, i'm speaking for myself. would the foundation be open to doing that or is that out of the question? >> i tell you, what i heard loud and clear from mr. birdsong was that he felt the sense of disappointment. and i would just want to reassure mr. birdsong and anyone who's donated to livestrong that they weren't supporting one person. they weren't supporting an athlete or a celebrity. they were supporting millions of people throughout the united states who are struggling with cancer. and that is exactly what their funds were used to support. >> so i take that as a "no". >> well, certainly we want to hear from our donors and if they have concerns, we want to know about that. but ultimately, the funds that livestrong has raised and the hard-earned dollars that our donors have contributed, we're very, very grateful for. and they have gone to serve people who are struggling with financial or insurance problems as a result of cancer. and i find it hard to believe that anybody would want to ask for their money back for dollars contributed to such an amazing and noble cause. >> but you certainly understand the concern, which i think you said earlier in this interview. it's been, as i said at the top of this show, a very bad couple of weeks for lance armstrong. and i'm sure for the foundation as well. he spoke for the first time last night in austin, texas. and we played some of that. what have the last couple of days, the last couple of weeks been like for your organization as vice president? >> it's been a tumultuous time. we're trying to stay as focused as we can, providing a high level of service for people who turn to us for help with a diagnosis, who need help getting access to a clinical trial, who need help to get insured to cover their treatment. that's what we show up to work for every single day and that's exactly what we're beth putting the emphasis on. >> i'm sure the organization has seen better times. i'm sure the morale is not the same as it was. obviously you want to help people, obviously. if you have an organization like this, you don't work for an organization like this and not want to help people. but i'm sure morale has been better and i'm sure there's been some concern about whether or not -- whether the organization can remain, can sustain. >> well, you make a good point. there's no arguing that these have been tough and emotional times, certainly for the team who works at livestrong. these are all people who have devoted their careers to the service of others. and that's a beautiful thing. but i think the organization is doing exactly what it needs to do to ensure that we are continuing to provide the high level of service. and that is making a swift and seamless transition to a new chairman of the board who will assume sort of oversight of our mission and make sure that we're headed in the right direction to serve more people. >> i've got to run, ms. mclane. but have you spoken to lance armstrong? >> he's spoken to our team throughout the week. he wanted to make sure that everyone he's worked with for many years at the foundation was aware of why he stepped away as chairman. knew that he did that to inoculate the organization from any of the damage that's spilling over from the sporting world and the news and controversy that's coming out. >> what would you say to him if you could speak to him? >> i'd say thank you for 15 years of service to cancer survivors, thank you for giving all the 100 employees at the lance armstrong foundation a chance to engage in an incredibly noble mission. >> thank you, katherine mclane, vice president of livestrong. thank you for coming on. now this -- election day is almost here, people. and some of you still can't make up your mind. are you undecided or just uninformed? up. a short word that's a tall order. up your game. up the ante. and if you stumble, you get back up. up isn't easy, and we ought to know. we're in the business of up. everyday delta flies a quarter of million people while investing billions improving everything from booking to baggage claim. we're raising the bar on flying and tomorrow we will up it yet again. see life in the best light. 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why haven't you been able to make up your mind this time? >> it's a host of things going on. it could be maybe just a perception problem. from hearing him speak and things going on around you, the reality things might be getting better. but from my perception, things aren't getting better. there's a lot of people out here hurting. there's people having to decide to gas their car up or provide their family with an adequate meal. there are people in my neighborhood that try to have a business and they're now closed down. that's discouraging. homes up for sale, foreclosure. >> i don't think people will disagree with you. hard times. as you said, getting better, but people are still in hard times. but the choices, some say, are quite clear. it's simple. these are the things that people care about when picking a candidate -- economic issues, domestic and/or social issues and then there's foreign policy, which is really low. it's a low priority, 4%. let's start with the economy, 59% of people care about that. unemployment, here's where the candidates stand. listen. >> the unemployment rate was 7.8% when he took office. it's 7.8% now. but if you calculated that unemployment rate, taking back the people who dropped out of the workforce, it would be 10.7%. we have not made the progress we need to make to put people back to work. >> the most important thing we can do is to make sure that we are creating jobs in this country but not just jobs, good-paying jobs. ones that can support a family. and what i want to do is build on the 5 million jobs that we've created over the last 30 months in the private sector alone. >> so either you agree with the president who says he needs more time for his jobs plan to work or you think mitt romney will do a better job than the president. it's simple -- that's not going to change between now and the election. what gives here? >> well, you know what, at least when i spoke with the president the other day, he was willing to say that there were some shortcomings in the four years that he has served. but he pointed out some interesting points, too. the car industry, the death of bin laden. i worked the day of 9/11. i seen people come up the street, devastated by that thing. and i think i'm leaning towards the president because romney describes his five-point plan. but i don't see any kind of substance. it seems to be that whatever is negative about the president, he just harped on it. i don't see an agenda or anything moving forward. >> let's talk about that. we talked about -- we know how they stand on taxes. we know about that. there's a clear difference there. one is middle class, one is the upper class. then on domestic and social issues, health care, education, gun control, abortion, gay marriage, both men are pretty similar on health care for obvious reasons. romney has waffled on that. on education, despite what you hear, they're the same on gun control, neither will touch it because of the gun lobby. on abortion and gay marriage, they're the exact opposite of each other. so, lz, what's so hard, do you think for undecided voters to make up their mind over? >> i think it's the apathy that they feel towards the president. you're right. it can't be clearer in terms of the two men being different. if you're undecided at this point, the only thing i can think of is you're waiting for the october jobs report just to see one last time if we truly are heading in the right direction. but you remember a few months ago where we were trying to figure out if we were better off four years ago than we are today. i've looked at things like the jobs report numbers and how this time four years ago, we had lost 500,000 jobs in this country. and now we've created more than 100,000 jobs. may not sound like a lot but that's a huge swing. when you look at that, i think it's pretty clear. >> ana, the reason i gave all the information, talking about social issues, the economy, taxes and on and on, education, because i'm trying to actually help these people -- the people who are undecided or uncommitted make a choice here. it seems to be pretty clear to most americans. why do you think people are so undecided? >> you know, first of all, i can't tell how happy i am to meet mr. jones because i was beginning to think these undecided voters were like big-fobi bigfoot, that they were a mystic person in the wilderness. i can't tell why they haven't decided. they might be waiting for an october surprise, maybe for a november surprise, maybe they want to see all three debates. you know what, don? the truth is, maybe they don't like either of these two guys. they're not undecided because they love both of them. they're undecided because neither of the two have finished the sale. so i would say to them, by november 5th midnight, you still haven't decided. flip a coin. i'll take heads. >> i'd rather you stay at home. i don't want you to flip a coin. i'd rather you stay at home. >> mr. jones, we hope that you make up your mind and we hope that we have helped and that you at least have a sense of humor about the little "saturday night live" thing we played and our funny pundits here. thank you very much. good luck to you with making up your mind. >> thank you. here's a look at what else is coming up. >> cheating in the bedroom, a growing number of people say it's okay and even helps a relationship and a marriage. would you allow your better half to sleep with someone else? 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