that wade michael page acted alone and no reason the believe at this moment that he had any new collaborators. some details of how this shooting went down and incredible detail, and the police chief john edwards said that basically the suspect ambushed the lead police officer who was the first one to respond and shot him at very close range eight or nine times and that officer is lieutenant brian murphy, 51 years old and 21-year veteran of the police force and a member of the tactical teams here as well and in incredible det detail the police chief said that when, after the suspect was taken down by the other officers and the initial exchange of gunfire, his fellow officers ran to try to help lieutenant murphy, the first officer hit there, and lieutenant murphy waved them into the temple and told them to help the civilians there. he had been shot seven or eight or nine times, and waved them into the temple and incredible act of heroism as reflected by the police chief. and general information, we learn ed th learned that he may have worked for somebody who made parks for welding supply companies and worked nights and that is a landlord of his who we spoke to, and my colleague ted rowlands reported that he may have worked a as delivery person, and other detail and general information given on the suspect at the news conference held by the police chief moments ago. take a listen. >> as far as some of the information obtained on him, i know that there's much that has been put out in the media already regarding him. and some of that we are looking at. we can say that he was in the military. 1992 to 1998. he had a general discharge, and that he was ineligible for reenlistment. i want to make it perfectly clear right now that he is the only shooter that was involved at the temple. >> and to add to the detail of the military career, we have been told by pentagon officials that page was discharged after a pattern of misconduct and served as a technician for army hawk missile systems and became part of the psychological operations teams, and we are piece together details of the suspect's past, john. >> well, thank you, brian todd, on the ground at oak creek, wiscons wisconsin. our drew griffin is digging deeper into the background of the shooting suspect, and drew joins us live. i understand that the southern poverty law center who tracks hate crimes has had page on their radar for some time. >> yes, since 2005 when the white supremist band scenes, the skinhead bands who go around and then in 2005, this is when apparently the suspect began his own band called end apathy. we know this because he has his own website obviously, and other promotions, but the group was frequently with other major hate group bands, john. on stages with what would be the big time players in the white supremist music movement, and in 2010 wade michael page gave a interview to the record label of the white supremist label, 56, and i want to throw up one quote from the interview. this is from page according to the lyrics. the topics are sociological issues, religion and how the value of human life has been degraded by being submissive to the tyranny and hypocrisy that we are subju kate d to. what is important about the white supremist punk bands is that it is where the movement of the hate groups recruit and go to the festivals to recruit new kids into the movement. >> i was looking at the song titles and one is "definition of hate." so they were not trying the i hide their feelings, drew? h. >> absolutely not. they had tattoos and we heard from the police that they knew he was from a hate group just based on the tattoos, and we don't have detalils, but they ae specific to hate crimes. i have not been on the the web side, but i hear they are herrifhe horrific talking about other specific indications of hate crimes, and i don't know what these were, but i know he was on the same stage with other hate-filled bands. >> drew griffin, thank you so much. so much more to learn about wade michael page, and i know you will be looking into it. one of the heroes is this man seen in this facebook photo who is the president of the temple. he was killed when he tryied to tackle the gunman and he was shot in the back. this morning on the "early start" i spoke to the niece and nephew about what he meant to the community. >> he was an amazing man. he left this world protecting the church, protecting the people, and now we are trying to figure out who is going to protect our hearts from this pain. >> he was definitely one of the most dedicated individuals i could ever see, and one of the most happiest people in the world. and he did so much to create this community, to create this temple, and to help involve those in the community, and are the what we understand, he basically fought to the very end, and suffered gunshot wounds while trying to take down the gunman. he was a protector of his own people, and incredible individual who showed his love and passion for our people, our faith until the end. >> and we understand that he was shot while trying to tackle the gunman, and truly, you know, a hero in this tragic, tragic episode. kanwardeep, i understand that in the midst of the chaos in the tragedy of your family, you were on the scene helping the police to talk to witnesses there, and translate for some of those who do not speak english so well, and what did the people inside of the temple tell you that they saw? >> i mean, there was a lot of commotion, so people didn't have the most clear picture and didn't remember exactly how many gunshots they heard, but some of the ladies making the food for the congregation in the kitchen overheard some gunshots and some of them went down into the basement to where the kids were playing to protect the kids. one of the husbands was one of the leaders, and the religious leaders of the temple, and he went to go see what had happened, and unfortunately, he was also -- killed right on the spot. just a great man. his family just came from india three weeks ago, you know. you see a man so happy to see his kids and his wife, and now he doesn't have that. >> moments of extreme loss, but also some moments of heroism there. the shooting in wisconsin prompted police in new york to step up security at sikh temples and the police say it is a precaution against any possible v violence and they say there has been no specific threats against the sikh violence. but sikhs say that since the 9/11 attacks they have been targeted for hate crimes being mistakenb for muslims. and the president says that the people in oak creek must know that they have the thoughts and prayers of the people of the country, and my administration will provide whatever is necessary to the officials responding to the tragic shooting and moving forward with an investigation. while the shooting is a horrific act of violence, it is not isolated. hundreds of attacks have been reported against sikhs since 9/11, and wasn't to talk to the leader of the sikh organization about the rise in violence. that is ahead. this is what else we are working on ahead in this hour. talk about excited and i mean really excited. nasa scientists react to the touchdown of the rover on the red planet. and hear why the search for life on mars is a big deal. and why olympian ryan lochte says he will miss the rivalry with his buddy michael phelps. do you believe him? 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[ cheers and applause ] >> you will never see a more excited group of scientists anywhere or really anyone who has ever looked up into the sky and wondered, if there is life on other planet, because the rover curiosity reached mars this morning where it will search for signs of life. chad myers joins me now, and these are amazing numbers, chad. eight months in space and 354 million miles travel and $2.5 billion spent in, and it all came down to the short period of time dubbed seven minutes of r terror when they tried to land this thing the size of a small car in an area of this big, and nothing like this has ever been attempted, has it? >> no, and people ask me, why didn't they use a really big parachute, and they did. they slowed it down from 1,000 miles an hour with a parachute to 30 million miles, but the atmosphere is not enough to slow down the drag. you know how the astronauts there had plenty of slowdown power with the parachutes, but this rover did not have enough sl slow-down power, but this is the size of a football field. you will hear this, gale crater, and it is seeing the other vehicles from space are seeing the strata, the layers in the ground here and kind of like what you will see at the grand canyon and you see the different colors and the different colors means different layers or times that the atmosphere was there. this is a very difficult process. it came in at 13,000 miles per hour, and seven minutes later, it had to be down to zero miles per hour, and the burn slowed it down and then the parachute deployed and came down for a while, and the heat shield had to be released and after the heat shield was released, this little backpack blower guy here, and it looks like a parachute here coming out flies off and lands, and it is amazing. i have pictures here of what it looks like. it is kind of like a sky crane they called it with wires lowering it all of the way to the ground, and when it landed on the ground, it was on the ground for 14 minutes before we knew it, because that is how long the signal took to go from mars back toett ettarth. those are the minutes of terror, and they knew it was on the ground, but they didn't know how many pieces. >> and you mentioned the gale crater and that is where the scientists thought they had the best chance to find life, but how will the rover curiosity go about detecting the signs? >> well, ten instruments on this, and a couple of instruments have been used on other rovers, but not like this, and there is a sensor to sense the oxygen or in this case looking for methane, and methane coming from living beings or anything biological, because when it degrades and starts to go away, it puts off methane. looking for that. any methane in the air and something great there? if there is something like that, they also would be able to dig into the dirt to have a hammer drill, and pick it up and put it in a spectrometer and analyze it. i don't have any doubt in my mind that after the instruments are finding things, we will have found life on mars and maybe not living, but this could be a billion-year-old dinosaur bone, but i believe that we will with this rover in this place find something. the reason why they put it in the crater is because it is a deep spot, and if there is ever waters, it will go to the deepest spot, and that is why they put it there and maybe an ancient lake. >> and so they are making here by chad myers a joe namath-type prediction that we will find life. so that of course, brings up the question, is there life on mars? or maybe jupiter? it is one of the most profound mysteries that we deal with as humans everyday, and that might, i guess, what physicist lauren krause grapples with. he also is the author of "a universe from nothing." you are in australia, and getting new pictures of the mars rover for the nasa scientists back in california right now, right. and what i want to know is this, life on mars, what is life on mars look like compared to say life on earth in your vision? >> well, of course, we don't know, because we have not discovered it, but what is surprising if it weren't our cousins in fact. i don't know whether i would make a guarantee like your previous guest about life exist ing on mars, but i would be surprised if we didn't find fossil evidence and find it is our cousin, because what we have discovered is that no planet is an island and material goes back and forth between mars and the earth all of the time and which can find the meteorites all of the time from mars and in the 10-month voyage microbes could survive, so it is reasonable to expect that life from one planet polluted the other. and the thing that is interesting is that life on earth may have originated on mars, so martians may be us. >> so those are the cousins and albeit tiny bacterial cousins, but youb surprise eyou would bet does not come back to earth? >> yes, because the idea that mars was hotter and wetter early on could support life is true, and it could mean that life could thrive and exist on other planets with s witwhich would exciting possibility. what would be more surprising if it does not have the same pairs in dna as us, and that would be amazing, because it would mean independent evolution of life on another planet, and as we try to look out to the solar system, we have discovered literally thousands of other planets around other stars. most of the stars in our galaxy have plants around them, and there are ofver 100 billion stas in the universe so we want to know are we unique or is life ubiquitous. and of course, if we discover another microbial life on another planet, and there won't be dinosaur bones, but if we discover a different form of life with different genesis, we can expect that the life is virtually teeming in the universe, and if it comes from somewhere else which would be the ultimate discovery. >> lawrence krauss joining us right now, and excited like every other scientist on the planet. sort of like a scientist mardi gras today. and back here on earth, nasa is making news for a new climate change study. they say that global warming is affecting the weather with reseeing like heat waves and a "washington post" piece that accompanied the study, james n hanson writes that our analysis shows that for the extreme hot weather of the recent past, there is no other explanation other than climate change. and one racecar driver is dead after the 85,000 fans were told the take cover as the severe storms took the area, and the race was stopped at the 98th lap which is halfway through the race. and the record-breaking michael phelps says this is the last olympics for him, but his teammate, ryan lochte says he has a lot more to give. >> i always feel like i'm an a-student, so i would give myself an a-minus. >> why lochte says he is going to miss his swim buddy. ♪ this is the sound of my soul ♪ ♪ this is the sound... you feel that? 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[ whirring and beeping ] it's the at&t network -- doing more with data to help business do more for customers. ♪ it was a quiet sunday morning in a milwaukee suburb, but then at the sikh temple, a tragedy unfolded. deborah feyerick has the story. >> reporter: the reading of the holy book was almost over when the shooting started. >> i u thought i heard shots. can you confirm that? >> reporter: people inside of the temple ran to hide. >> and she kept saying they are out there, they are out there. >> reporter: calls poured into 911. >> i need an ambulance. i dot no see -- i do not see the shooter anywhere but come in behind me. >> a gunman came into the parking lot started shooting and shot the people standing out front, and entered the temple and opened fire. >> reporter: community members say that the community leader was shot trying to tackle the gunman. witnesses say that the gunman went to the kitchen and may have turned up the gas before exiting. >> the gunman tor people doing this went into the kitchen and are trying to blow it up. >> the man in the parking lot is a white t-shirt. >> reporter: one of the first police officers to arrive was ambushed while helping a victim. >> a 20-year veteran was ambushed and shot multiple times. >> the officer was shot eight to nine times at close range with a handgun. >> the shooter then taking aim at another officer who returned fire. >> i need an ambulance. >> we have one officer shot. >> our officer did engage that individual, and the individual is deceased. >> reporter: s.w.a.t. teams and tactical units from around the oak creek area converged search searching the temple building not knowing if more shooters were inside. >> just small kids, and others inside. >> reporter: the gunman was taken to a trauma center, and others who waited to pray waited and prayed. the police were looking for a motive and evidence, and leaving a community wondering why. >> deb feyerick has been covering the story since the beginning and joining me now live is deb feyerick. did the police fire a warning shot at the suspect in the parking lot? what we are learning now is that they did issue commands to the gunman. it appears they either told him to drop the weapon and open d fed fire on some of the squad cars, we are learning then ultimately they shot him, because he was holding a gun and active shooter, and we are learning more about him, spent six years in the military and di