and many cbp customs and border protection high-level officials have told members of congress and the public that they're concerned about terrorist and known as what we call k asts, known suspected terrorists, and people in the no fly list sneaking across the southern border because of the the volume of individuals that are coming and the number of countries are coming from. >> i mean, this is exactly what we've heard from republican critics of the southern border and how it's being handled at this moment is a concern that this something like this could happen and the system not working yeah, it's always a concern, especially when we would call them up the gottaways. so if you look at if one in every hundred thousand individuals who get away is a known as suspected terrorists. you can have dozens or hundreds of individuals that could potentially threats and so this is a wake-up call to all yeah. >> it certainly is marvin southern border. your connection broke up a little there at the bet, but a great point and we'll keep watching this denial, harvard. thank you for that. thank you all so much for joining us. state a news night with abby. phillip starts now republicans tried to eat their cake and have it too that's tonight on these nine good evening. >> i'm have you fill up in new york tonight president biden and his family are huddling together in delaware. after a jury convicted his surviving son on all three federal gun charges. it is the first time in american history that an immediate family member of a sitting us president was convicted of a crime. now the moment, of course, creates the split-screen of conservatives who just 12 days ago were slamming the rule of law, slamming the judge, the jury, and the verdict in donald trump's manhattan trial some even claimed the conviction was the end of the republicans. we know it but tonight, they seem to be singing from a completely different tune this is a new error in america, and i think it goes against the elc of who we are as americans and our faith in the criminal justice system in the end, this juror, jury of ordinary people from delaware, we're not intimidated and by that family and they recognize that this was a clear cut case and that clearly no one is above the law. this is a very political exercise. and you have to say that it accomplish what it set out to accomplish. but i would say this abet judge noreika, i think she ran a very fair courtroom. she ran a very fair brian, i guess we all need to shop at banana republic from now on because that's what it feels like. yeah, a banana republic for years, the bikes have been able to escape any legal accountability for their sleazy corrupt conduct but today they're luck ran out, at least hunters did. >> power is all they love. >> and they're willing to do anything to cling to it. they're willing to destroy the rule of law the republic has been wounded by week lawyers and talent less political bloodhounds gave me a little boost of confidence in the american legal system although they still have a lot of work to do to win me back, i believe that there was a conscious collusion of allies that came together it's pretty obvious with a private strategy to eliminate a common shared adversary, a hundreds going to jail. so joe doesn't have to and when he comes out, he'll be rewarded for his loyalty, like a made man and a biden crime family. this is a distraction from the influence, peddling and the kickbacks yes. >> these are two different trials under very different circumstances. hunter biden was federal trump's was not the crimes and the evidence all completely different. but you can't claim the justice system is dead because of a single conviction, while also praising it for another you can't claim president biden is weaponizing the justice department to go after his enemies. when that same department just convicted his own son but in a world of maga, perhaps you can prominent conservatives are trading baseless conspiracies, for another now they're claiming that hunter biden's trial was a sham to give cover to biden. >> charlie kirk. kirk says the democrats will use the conviction to claim that the system is fair. vivek ramaswamy, he calls it a smokescreen to deflect attention from biden's other crimes republican senator tom cotton says, it's a way to insulate joe biden who is guilty of corruption trump's campaign calls the case a distraction from the quote biden crime family. now remember, this is the same biden that conservatives claim can't walk, can't talk or think on his own but just so we're clear, biden has no power over a state-level prosecution but the same federal government that he actually runs just prosecuted his own son and the system we're supposed to believe is rate that just makes no sense we're gonna get to all of that in a moment. but first, tonight joining me now is reverend dr. christopher bolick. he is a spiritual advisor to light and family and the pastor at canaan baptist church in new castle, delaware. reverend, thank you for being with us. >> it's good to be with you, abby. god bless you. thank you for having me. >> thank you for being here. you spoke last night or before this verdict, i should say, with hunter biden how was he when you last spoke with him? >> he was upbeat. he was positive and but he understood the gravity of the situation and the nature of the trial. so he is well aware of what the possibilities where uncertainty disappointed in the verdict. however, things did not go on his favor does not mean that the favor of god is not a ban him. we believe that his faith is strong course is family is strong and width him. and i encouraged him to look to the heel from what's come at this help? all of his help coming from the lord. but he's focused and we know that things are going to work out in the end a hunter biden has talked about his addiction. >> he's talked about what that has been like for his life, but i wonder on this particular issue or the set of issues that he was charged, it has now been convicted of has he ever expressed remorse for what led to all of this? >> i believe that he's aware of every step of his journey and remorse is a part of the process therefore, he is prepared to move forward knowing that god is a forgiving god he has said in his own words that he has hurt people along the wake but we know that the power of prayer, the power family, the power of faith can change him and any situation listen, abbe this addiction issue is a disease this impacted millions of americans regardless of race, creed, or color, phd, no, d, g, d, md jd. this disease is real. and we know that it's a journey and it's a season in his life and this season will hopefully in, in a way in which we've been endured for night, but joy will come in the next season i cnn spoke earlier today with one of the jurors in this case. >> juror number ten, i want to play for you. what he said about the defense i felt i felt bad that they put naomi on trial on witness i i think that was probably a strategy that should not have been done no. no daughter should ever have to testify or again, sir, dad you know, this family wow. was it a mistake for the defense to put a hunters own daughter through that i think they had to make some critical decisions. they had a particular strategy and they were going for what would work for them, what would give them favor in the face of the jury at all? the judge at all who are concerned. it was painful. but we understand that the fence had a strategy. they believe it would work. and we know that this family, again it has gone through was going through a lot and at the end of the day, it's all about what's in the best interests of hunter and the biden family we saw those emotional images of president biden hugging his only surviving son can you tell us what this has been like for him going through this trial? >> a different kind of trial compared to some of the other trials that he's gone through in his life with the loss of his late wife and several of his other children president, my friend and brother is a man of resilience. a man of deep faith a, man who understands the hand of god when god's hand moves in, his life. and he said that, let justice play out and whatever the decision was of the jewelry, he would respect and accept the decision. but when i saw him come home tonight and embraced his son i saw the power of love let me say this. abby love is greater than politics the bible says, loves the more excellent way love indu, with all things, believes all things love is patient. love is kind and the script it talks about that. nothing can separate us from the love of god, the love of god is in that family our president and first lady. they love onto and we love him and we will continue to walk alongside him with the ministry of presence. my role has been the past of presence in the courtroom. we prayed three times in the courtroom. we brought the church house to the courthouse. we prayed openly we prayed, we hugged, and he knows the power of prayer and god always has the last word. and i just think something good is going to come out of this in the end. and god will use this moment for his glory on his own time reverend dr. christopher bullock. >> thank you very much for sharing all of that with us god bless you. >> thanks for having me abbe and for more. let's bring in our panel here, former clinton white house aide, keith boy can also with a cnn political commentator, s. >> e. cupp and reason editor at large, matt welch asieh, that at the end there is basically what the message from the biden world is going to be about this, which is that this is a story three of a family, a family like any other, where someone has messed up. and the father loves the son. nothing more. do you think that that is going to work in this situation? >> i think everyone can relate to some parts of this. >> i don't find a hunter biden to be a terribly sympathetic figure, not because of his addiction, but because he's messed up a lot. he's broken the law and i don't think he's been a great family man, but at the end of the day, this is someone sign that someone happens to be the president. and for the president to say, i'm not putting my finger on the scale for this one. i'm not i don't even want to talk about it. i can't imagine how you do that. i can't imagine as a parent, how you disassociate from that. and i think that will look very noble and good to a lot of democratic voters. >> there's also a possibility that this completely doesn't matter to voters at all yeah i'm one of the people who thinks it doesn't really matter to voters. >> hunter biden is not running for president and i don't know if that's a newsblaster. anyway, but donald trump was convicted and he is running for president hunter biden is a son of a candidate for president and the president himself refused as estee pointed, to, put his thumb on the scale of justice. he refused to intervene, he refused to stop the prosecution, refused to condemn the judge and jury. he refused to promise to pardon hunter biden after the conviction that's a stark and dramatic contrast from everything adopted. trump has done since donald trump has been on trial attacking everybody involved in his trial. okay. let me play this from the speaker of the house, mike johnson. he was asked by our own manu raju about the way that republicans are responding to a hunter biden versus how they dealt with donald trump. listen mr. speaker, you've been saying two tier system of justice for some time. >> here's the president's son being convicted on three counts. that undercut your client. >> it doesn't every cases different and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. i don't think that's the case and the trump trials and all the of charges that have been brought against could have been obviously brought for political purposes. a hunter biden as a separate instance that's a separate instance, but the other thing about the hunter biden is that this is not the only hunter biden trial. >> we'll see. there will be another one. it come this fall. so are we going to go through the motions again? i'm saying everything hot? that happens to hunter is aboveboard. anything that happens to trump is not i think that the way that we should think about this is to try to get ourselves as individual consumers out of the non-stop political consideration. >> let's look for the republicans. there's at least one thomas massie. i saw him do this in congress today. say this is ridiculous. he, let's, we shouldn't be convicting someone and sending him to 25 years in prison for doing one thing, he lied on an application. >> there's no victim in this crime. >> there's no victim and trump's crime either, right? so if we we have a sickness of in the criminal justice system in this country, we have so many people in jail. >> we have so many victimless crimes. >> harvey solar relate the great civil libertarian writer has had a book called three felonies a day. that's the average that us very law-abiding citizens on this panel commit everyday because there's so much in the criminal code. right. so that puts everything up to the discretion. question of prosecutors. >> and we're sitting around and if we're republican, we cheered hunter biden getting locked up or a convicted for democrat would share donald trump, i say as americans, let's work back. >> is there a victim if there's not, let's stop sharing i listen. >> i'm glad it for ones we are talking about the ways in which perhaps this country over criminalizes people, 20 people in prison. i just never thought that it would come up because of donald trump and hunter biden. >> but let me just as a gun owner. >> okay it's a crime to lie on a gun application for a reason. and there could have been a victim to this crime that's why you don't lie on a form or purchase a firearm. there wasn't that's lucky. but it's bad for every law abiding gun owner when people break the law in an attempt to buy a gun. >> i mean, i think that should have been i understand both your points, but i thought the point matt was making surprise. i agree with you and this is that even if we think that that hunter biden did something wrong, he broke the law which the jury found that he did maybe we shouldn't be putting him in jail for them. i'm not sure if that's what you're making your knife. maybe you're making definitely a point. maybe you're making whether we shouldn't be prosecuting him. i think we should prosecute people when they when they violate the law, then maybe we shouldn't put everybody in jail and incarcerate everybody when they aren't found guilty. many people think have committed unlawful drug use while filling out a gun applicant probably 20 million. well, if they look at the number of gun owners in the number of people who smoke pot 20 million people and very few get prosecuted. almost all of whom who do have less material advantages than 100 biden does. are we thinking about that joe biden go to jail? >> i mean, he might not serve. >> i'm saying we shouldn't be prosecuting people who smoke, break the law, who break. we should i say, this is man, granted, this is a weird libertarian thing to say, but i think that if you would expect nothing less, if the victim is the government's yeah. and you smoke pot and it filled out an application. you can get punished and not go to understand to properly understand the gun the part i take very seriously. >> do you think that this is an example? look, i mean, if we're talking about tonight, okay. maybe the argument is donald trump would not have been prosecuted where he not president hunter biden, would he have been prosecuted where he not the president's son? >> i don't think he might have been prosecuted. probably not. and he certainly wouldn't have had this thing here where we discovered new felonies only after the plea agreement fell down. think about this, like months ago were like cool with him walking free. and now we're like maybe he should go to jail for up to 25 years this is also a trial penalty, right? this is the reason why 98% of all criminal cases never go to trial because they're always stacking up of charges to scare the bejesus out of you so that you'll plead guilty and then you'll walk or maybe you'll go to jail for a brief period of time. >> can i just ask a case i mean, i think that's a very good faith argument that we're hearing here for matt. would you even consider applying that same argument to donald trump in terms of the crime that he was convicted of, new york absolutely. i don't believe in i don't believe in incarcerating everybody, including donald trump i know i've never wanted to lock him up people i've said that as a joke on my internet feeds but for the most part, i don't think we shouldn't be blocking anybody got for nonviolent white-collar crimes are non-violent offenses in general, i think we should find other forms of ways to freak to treat with, to deal with the situation of crime without incarcerating people. and we don't do that. and our country where there's donald trump or hunter biden, let's be fair, but i agree with you on that. >> all right. well, we have a lot of agreement at the table here. i appreciate that everyone stick around breaking news tonight from the pioneers having mccarthy's revenge tour against her pop blinken's who ousted him, plus the justice department takes the extraordinary step of debunking one of trump's most common conspiracies. and as concerned for this plot, a second trump term, democrats are now making moves of their own for 2025. this is news well, it's hard besides dad is a legends that his legendary moves might be passed down to you. ancestry dna can show you which traits were inherited where they came from and who he shares them with? but get moving. this sale is only for a limited time, introducing new advil targeted relief. the only topical 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