perhaps, in some of these cases but it's the day-to-day work. it's going to homicide scenes, seeing child abuse victims and sexual assault victims on a regular basis where it almost becomes routine but it's not normal and we don't do a good job of policing and dealing with mental health, getting regular mental health checkups, making sure that officers have the right balance to be able to go out there on the street and perform their functions properly. >> you have talked about this. it's sort of layer upon layer of trauma that can come before a suicide, that daily trauma as you said, perhaps the acute trauma of what happened on january 6th. i do wonder, though, you just heard that report from whitney wild, she reported that during the hearing of these police officers last week before the january 6th committee that officers all over the capitol were very invested.