born there. it has a russian fleet full of amphibious landing craft on its way there. >> i mean, you talked about kherson not being the most important thing. if the russians do gain control of more of this black sea cost up to the sea of assist of, what are the implications there? . >> well, i mean, it's going to totally change the security architecture of ukraine, but especially if the black sea becomes a russian lake. it will change things for bulgaria, moldova, certainly for turkey. there will be russian fleets continuously operating in the black sea. i'm not going to go into too much now, but american and russia have a complicated relationship in the black sea.