people can see. these missiles can cause major damage. president biden spoke to vladimir putin on saturday. we heard that somewhat confusing statement by a ukrainian ambassador saying, well, ukraine isn't about to join nato. everyone knows, everyone knows ukraine is not about to join nato. it's the way people say that that is at issue right now. >> it is. if what vladimir putin wants is a written guarantee that ukraine isn't going into nato for some time period or permanently or whatever, you could imagine how they could get there. maybe he was testing something. maybe he was freelancing. we don't know. but there are a lot of american officials who don't think that's really what this is about. that while putin is worried about ukraine joining nato, he
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