but, of course, yesterday it was a phrase that he uttered 16 times during this speech, and that was a calculus made by the president and by the white house. and i was told it was never really in question whether to go after trump in this speech because they felt like they couldn't not do so, given the role that they believe he played in what happened on january 6th. but the question privately was how scathing should the attack be and how sustained should it be? and, of course, it was an overarching part of this speech. the first time i think we have seen a current president label the former president a liar in the way that president biden did yesterday, but the white house said that was completely intentional. though i should note they said this isn't going to be some new strategy going forward. they're not going to go after trump at every turn. the voting rights speech in atlanta on tuesday, for example, but it was definitely a calculated choice that president biden was making yesterday. >> if the question was how scathing, the answer seemed to be pretty, right? i mean, there was this moment where he tried to reframe how people refer to donald trump.