that person for a long time was the whistle-blower. the whistle-blower doesn't have a name. the whistle-blower doesn't have a face. and the whistle-blower may never be known. and now there are all of these other people who do have names and who do have faces who are coming out and they have characters that can be defended. and it's becoming very difficult for the president to make them the enemy. so there's a level of frustration about this. and in some ways, that's why there's some questions about whether republicans in the house are trying to ferret out the name of the whistle-blower. they know, to joe's point, that that's what the president wants. they are not sure if they'll be able to do it. but they're trying to do their best to sort of get a little closer to that because that is something that the president believes will be helpful to him. at this point, i don't know that it will be because there is this other information out there that is so much more informative that is happening around this ukraine situation. >> the democrats will have a vote on moving forward with the house impeachment inquiry, joe.