somebody who sees the level of chaos that we're in and doesn't have the courage to come out and put a name and face to it. >> right now it's anonymous. but when we see and hear the book and we see and hear the author, are they going to be in shadow? >> or maybe a print interview. >> then there's not going to be -- not that there's not credibility in this, but if he or she wants to effect the process, they have to sit down with us. >> i see where you're going. >> or anybody. to go to congress. >> going public, that's a lot more honorable. >> for me, it's a distraction right now from the testimonies of the fiona hills and the ambassador yovanovitch and sondland and taylor and bolton. they're putting their careers and reputations out there. not somebody that's too afraid to give their names and their