must-haves and fight like heck but not major deceive themselves that there's any chance with or without a filibuster of passing all of the enormous change at once. it's a wish list. it's not ready for a vote under filibuster rules. >> what do you make of vice president harris and her role and trying to more clearly define it given it is such an expansive, tough portfolio? >> as a former senator, i think she understands you can in fact and you're going to have to start counting heads. start counting votes. start looking at the rules that you have, not the rules you wish you had and figure out what they c can. that's going to be a tough assignment. it will be her chance to make her bones. only 6 months into this administration and her clearly defined role has yet to emerge. this is going to be something