now? >> well, i think it's certainly fair to say that in the 15 years between the time that the u.s. was still talking about bringing russia into nato, the time that the u.s. was actually encouraging russia to enter the world trade organization, basically do all the things to bring it into a european nation, the two countries have really talked past each other. the u.s. vision of this has been that russia will become more and more european and that its impulses that historically have been so troublesome to the world would be tamed by the fact that it would be treated like any other european nation. adds putin has gotten more and more confident over the years, he has moved more and more towards seeking to address his grievances. and his chief grievance is that ukraine and other former soviet states are integral to the