a carnival, personal insults, that type of thing. he's made remarks about people's personal appearance at debates in order to grab a headline, get inside their head, shake them a little bit. ted cruz i don't think will have any of that. this is somebody who, like i said, is part of a real movem t movement. has deeply held con vicks, has a team around him who believes in what they believe. they're not going to necessarily go around changing his style or changing his opinions just to sort of fend off a personal or petty attack. they are playing for sort of higher stakes in a lot of ways. i would expect them to sort of continue marching right down the same path they have. i mean, the polls, if you dig down into them, they show conservatives think cruz is the one most likely to completely outlaw all abortion. that's his politics. that's where he's coming from. that's what he's going to fight for. i don't think, you know, having a back and forthwith donald trump is going to be his aim at all. >> it's smart to avoid it, not always easy to do.