that individuals that woor letting out are nonviolent offenders, the prosecutors are saying it's not that simple. many times, 70% as prosecutors told me yesterday, they plea the deal down so it looks like the criminal has a nonviolent crime. >> that 70% is not backed by data. that's ben's anecdotal evidence. >> talk to d.a.'s. >> i do but that's not data. a bunch of anecdotes doesn't make data. the bigger point here, that i was laughing at actually was not people being addicted to drugs. it was this idea that we let people out so quickly. the whole point of sentencing reform we kept people in prison too long. the most conservative judges have said we've incarcerated people too long, particularly black and brown people. they were put in decades for drug offenses. people are in jail too long. we need a reform that makes sense. locking people up does not solve the problem. we need reform and repair.